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#22841

Dingbat,

I am not clear what you mean by “overwhelm the social system”.

The facts are as I stated in my earlier message. Here is a summary from full fact:

Immigrants and public services

There are about 3 million EU citizens currently living in the UK. The evidence suggests that impacts on jobs and wages have been small, and are most likely to affect lower-skilled workers.

Recently arrived EU immigrants pay more in tax than they consume in welfare or public services, so they benefit the public finances.

​The impact on public services is difficult to measure with certainty. Immigrants may add to demand for and pressure on public services, but also contribute to financing and providing those services, particularly in the NHS.

Impacts are likely to vary by local area. However, research shows that higher levels of immigration are not associated, at a local level, with longer NHS waiting times.

And in schools, increased numbers of pupils with English as a second language doesn’t have any negative impact on levels of achievement for native English speaking students. If anything, pupils in schools with lots of non-native speakers do slightly better.

There are about 3 million EU citizens currently living in the UK. The evidence suggests that impacts on jobs and wages have been small, and are most likely to affect lower-skilled workers.

Recently arrived EU immigrants pay more in tax than they consume in welfare or public services, so they benefit the public finances.

​The impact on public services is difficult to measure with certainty. Immigrants may add to demand for and pressure on public services, but also contribute to financing and providing those services, particularly in the NHS.

Impacts are likely to vary by local area. However, research shows that higher levels of immigration are not associated, at a local level, with longer NHS waiting times.

And in schools, increased numbers of pupils with English as a second language doesn’t have any negative impact on levels of achievement for native English speaking students. If anything, pupils in schools with lots of non-native speakers do slightly better.

There are a lot ofvEU migrants working here who are contributing to your pension.

Happy as always to consider any factual evidence you want to put forward.

Cheers,

Frog in a tree


#22842

Uk present a rubbish deal to the EU with threats and insults and EU gov leaders make comments that a deal is unlikely pretty obvious…

Any other Benefit for Brexit yet?? only 1 so far…

  1. Should see the death of this thread ?

#22843

@rossx48
How many do you think come from EU states annually?
How many do you think come from non-EU states annually?

Oh… by the way… since 2006, the Free Movement Directive (EU Directive 2004/38/EC) has given us exactly the control over immigration that some in the UK wanted. The UK Government has just CHOSEN never to implement it.
Where admission is permitted, an EU citizen may remain in the UK for up to three months from the date of entry, provided they do not become a burden on the social assistance system of the UK. If an EU citizen does not meet one of the requirements for residence set out in the Directive [employed, self-employed, self-sufficient, student] then they will not have a right to reside in the UK and may be removed.

Didn’t you know that?

Where were you born by the way?
And what is your citizenship?


#22844

JW he doesn’t know that because Brexiters dont want facts only want their bigotry reinforced.
Most never even met a migrant…


#22845

Frog
Merci
And why did the British people vote by a clear majority to get out? THREE YEARS AGO.
Oh yes …I forgot …They were too stupid to know what was going on…Or …They weren’t given the true facts…Yea?
Hindi,Bot admi iga. Umra mulic hi ider….Merbani/Salams
What What ?
Thank “G” loyds is ready
Salutations


#22846

Any chance of answering the questions I asked you @rossx48 ?


#22847

most british people didn’t, Vote was won because
100,s thousands voters thought 76mill turks were coming
100,s thousands voters thought we couldn’t stop EU army
100,s thousands voters thought we send £350m a week to NHS
100,s thousands voters thought the EU needs us
100,s thousands voters thought easiest deal in history
100,s thousands voters thought UK rebate can be changed
mills voters thought the Mail Express headlines were true
heres another…
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#22848

More gobbledegook from you Dingbat. I did ask if you had any evidence for the claims you made about EU work migrants. You haven’t come up with any. You did put together a string of gobbledegook words which, insofar as they mean anything at all seem to refer to areas outside of the EU. If that’s the best you can do…

Clearly on immigration you don’t have any rational arguments or facts, only the prejudices on which you based your vote to Leave. Perhaps you can explain the point you were making about LLOY?

Frog in a tree


#22849

in fact about 25% of Brits voted to leave out of a population of approx 67m. But why let the facts get in the way of your lies that roll off the tongue so easily?


#22850

Not much in the way of challenge from our Brexiter friends this afternoon. They have been unable to string together an intelligible sentence, let alone put together a rational argument and supporting evidence. At least Dingbat and Mr Carpet do give us an insight into a certain type of Brexiter mind.

Oh well!

Frog in a tree


#22851

looks like extension til next year then another referndum = no brexit…

The European Union is poised to extend Brexit talks into as late as next summer after the European council and commission presidents dismissed Boris Johnson’s strategy as a “blame game”.
A “range of dates” will now be in play at the meeting of European leaders next week but sources suggested the natural cut-off date would be June.
With an extension of the UK’s EU membership now looking inevitable, other diplomatic sources suggested an unlikely outlier for an end date could even be ahead of a possible general election so as to force the Commons into accepting a deal. “But politicians like to keep things off their plates for as long as possible and so pushing it longer seems more realistic,” a senior EU diplomat said.


#22852

Pete - hi

You must be suffering from Brexit posting fatigue m8!
You only posted one front page - instead of loads
I suggest a bit of relaxation to help you get back up to your average.
JAR


#22853

Ready for what ?

Down from 55 when you stated it was ready.

Down 1.39 % today.

What is going to lift it, except for no Brexit?

soi


#22854

However, we have said that the UK proposal is our final offer.
There will be no point therefore carrying on with any ‘negotiations’ past November 1st.
JAR


#22855

thanks for the suggestion but this is a discussion group you could discuss the disgraceful front pages
OR

Any other Benefit for Brexit yet?? only 1 so far…

  1. Should see the death of this thread ?

#22856

However, we have said that the UK proposal is our final offer.

And why should we believe that?

The Tories’ best option is to go back to the May deal. They would have a chance of getting it through parliament…otherwise they risk a referendum which they would lose.

All the best,

Frog in a tree


#22857

Look like little Ireland is in the Driving seat…


#22858

Yep, one was useless but the other was on a roll.


#22859

SOI
Lloyds is ready…FOR or NO deal.
And
Rome was built in a day?..Right
Lets talk in a year.(In Monaco)
Salutations


#22860

I read an article about how expats are affected. There was a girl whose family moved to France when she was 3. Now she is 20 and studying in Rotterdam. As an EU student she pays 2000 EUR a year. A non-EU student she will have to pay 18,000 EUR. She doesn’t know if she can afford that.

She has a 10 year permit for France, but with that she cannot work in the Netherlands and becoming a French national is not easy, because France asks for a certain wealth.

Another older couple lives in France, because London was too expensive for them. The husband has some disease and needs daily medication. Additional to the 30% decline in income due to exchange rate he will lose the cheap french health care paid by the UK. That treaty will have to be renegotiated - not only with France but with all 27 members.

Another couple has a catering business in the French Alps for winter tourists, but in summer they work as cooks in Italy or Greece. They will lose that part of their income, because they will not have a work visa. They think they will have to return to the UK.

Brits in Germany are on the better side. They can relatively easy become nationals and the y do apply in masses.

It’s amazing what those selfish Brexiteers do to their compatriots.