I did. German ministers can propose all they want, france isn’t going to give up its permanent members seat, and I doubt the permanent members would want to see one of their number end up having to consult 28 others before making a decision.

Like I said, its a ridiculous idea.


Well you’re wrong. Winning countries, yes, sort of, except neither France nor China could really be called that and UK did little more that survive. When the U.N. was being set-up France, USSR and UK represented empires which no longer exist (in fact France and UK’s were already falling part).

So, the population component that they represented has fallen away. USSR population also halved when its seat morphed into just Russia.

That might be your view, but you are in the minority when it comes to the Leave camp as a whole. “Spend the money on us!”. “Why should people like this [photo of miners from early 80s] have to work until they are 70 to support people like these [photo of Syrian refugees]”. “Send them back and give their council houses to hard working Brits!”.

Just a sample of messages I see every day on social media … and I’m not even signed up to any of the far-right Brexiteer ‘time to take back our empire’ fake news sites, but some of the people I grew up with obviously are and this is the type of things they often ‘share’.


and if it is a disaster - then what? There wont be any significant free trade deals in place in 2 or 3 years, unless with the EU and on the back of the EU.



…more news of Brexit related damage to British business. Today the BBC reports on difficulties in a Cornish pasty factory:

To be honest, I am a bit unsure how Brexit uncertainty affects this company as it wasn’t explained in the article.

Frog in a tree


FIAT - hi

But post it anyway???


…throw the dog a bone, occasionally!

I like a bit of balance.



The management do blame Brexit uncertainty, it clearly states. Surely whoever wrote the report included their explanation for such a statement, but the editor has cut it.

Brexit is bad for the economy generally, it doesn’t have to be a business directly related to obvious Brexit issues to feel the ill-wind.


A ‘typically’ ambiguous statement from THE management. Any decent reporter would have asked the question: …“What do you mean by Brexit uncertainty?”

Instead we get an asinine puff piece of inconsequential journalism…‘the oldest pasty maker’ closes a factory from the 1970’s…surely Cornish pasties must have been made by this company well before 1970!?

The ‘Brexit uncertainty’ is a pathetic excuse for THE management to make people redundant…why not admit the truth…they needed to streamline the business, reduce costs and close a ‘probably’ inefficient factory that was surplus to requirements.

Or does Brexit uncertainty really make fewer people eat Cornish pasties??..answers on a postcard to Greggs!!


Clever people don’t believe the Tory lies…


Seriously :joy:


Oh look… it’s that chap who didn’t want to be addressed… the other chap with a yacht.
Welcome back.

Still making use of your EU privileges before they disappear?


BBC 1/2 apology for removing laughter on Bojo question time a few week after they doctored clip with the wreath…
something seriously wrong


It is not a privilege of the “EU” … quite how people manage to live within “EUROPE” or outside the “EU” must be a mystery to you.
Or are just bitter being trapped inside your little central (gas) heated shell?
Countries existed thousands of years before the “EU” yet now we can’t exist without their overriding control.
I have Greek citizenship and property… you think they’re going to kick people like me out???

Seriously … get a life and stop being so bitter !!


Becoming a Greek citizen for you was made a lot easier by being a national of an EU Member State though wasn’t it? You made use of that privilege.
And that ease is something you have chosen to deny to other UK citizens.


Is it me, or but did Elon get his 5 year old nephew to design the ‘truck’?


I suppose it was just a matter of time.


what did he say about this… and why are they all spending so much energy attacking labour if he polls are right…



I suspect it may be a case of ‘revenge is a dish best served cold’…although more likely he thinks anything is better than having Corbyn in No. 10…even a Johnson government & Brexit…possibly a hard Brexit next December.

Corbyn was warned that he needed to do more on anti-semitism within Labour…it looks like some people think he didn’t go far enough and hold a bit of a grudge.

The Chief Rabbi’s intervention isn’t going to be a shock to most voters…but it could reinforce what they think of Corbyn…but I doubt it will have much of an impact on his ‘popularity’ numbers in the polls.


Its greatest impact will be within the Labour party hierarchy. I think it pretty much guarantees Corbyn will be gone if he doesn’t pull off a miracle in this election now and he’ll take many of his closest supporters with him, back to the political wilderness from whence they came.

The fact the Chief Rabbi can make an attack like this during an election just underlines the lack of leadership qualities of Corbyn.


It is no surprise at all. He has a lot to say in support of Israel all the time.
This is all about Israel and Palestine and zip to do with any discrimination of Jews in the UK.