It isn’t about the BBC… that was an announcement by Brittany Ferries:

It’s referring to bookings for next year so lining up the back story for bad news in next years figures.

Noting a fall in demand for family holidays next summer, it has warned of serious consequences for international tourism and the regions it serves if a Brexit deal does not bring certainty and the free movement across borders enjoyed by customers today.


“Dover’s head of policy, Richard Christian, said EU lorries spend only two minutes stopped at the port. If new checks are imposed after March analysts have said that adding another two minutes’ processing time for each truck would lead to a 17-mile queue of traffic outside the port, which handles up to 10,000 freight vehicles daily.”

"Any shift from Dover would also require a change of behaviour by hauliers and customers, said Mr Baker. Voyages to northern ports are at least 12 hours so drivers do not usually accompany loads — goods are dropped off at one port and collected at their destination.

However, Jerry Hopkinson, chief operating officer and vice-chairman on PD Ports, Teesport’s owner, said northern ports could use the longer journey times to complete customs checks on board."


must be the same for financial times then @J_Westlock


Yep… anyone who’s driven from Switzerland into Germany will know how well prepared they are in terms of large parking/processing areas where you pull into where checks are being made at the Border Control as you enter the EU (and it’s the same in reverse too).

The UK currently seems amazingly unprepared for what is about to happen… so there’s a lot of costly work to do immediately after any Deal is agreed.


I don’t subscript to FT anymore so can’t say. But the Brittany Ferries report is on the link I sent you.


Great for uk economy if people holiday here instead


Yep… boom-time again for Mablethorpe and Skegness.


haha. Im sure the french dont want to lose that big tourism . Will think of something


So is it time to sell those P&O shares (and similar companies)?

Are they listed on the stock market? :wink:


Also, there was an interesting story in the press this weekend about Japan and migrant workers. Like the UK, Japan is an ageing society and they have problems in recruiting sufficient workers for agriculture, healthcare and other areas. Japan has for years had very tight restrictions on immigration but the chronic shortage of labour is forcing a change to facilitate work migration so that essential industries can be staffed. No surprises there.

One of the main motivations behind the Brexit vote was immigration and the evidence is that this was even more the case in areas that had not experienced much in the way of immigration previously, areas like Lincolnshire for example, where high numbers of EU migrant labour has been employed.

The pressures being experienced in Japan are similar to the pressures being experienced here and the same strategy of easing restrictions on migration will have to be used here.

Brexit xenophobes (and yes there are some, a lot) are going to be very disappointed that Brexit wasn’t the magic bullet they were hoping for as they continue to hear European languages spoken on their streets and in their pubs.


Frog in a tree


Hi Fiat & BM,

Thanks. I think a few are getting drawn into personal stuff that exacerbates avoidable unpleasantness, rather than any one individual. Whilst this topic is always going to be passionate, we may agree there’s a big difference between arguing the points & going down the path of personal innuendo. We’ve seen it on both sides to a degree.

From my side, getting back on topic: without repeating my earlier views, it’s not unreasonable to want people to be 100% sure of what they voted for considering the magnitude of what’s involved with Brexit. Many can’t be sure, bar those who don’t care or have ideological stances, as no-one knows the final details of Brexit, nor their longer-term effect.

Long ago during 1983’s GE campaign, which saw Thatcher beat Michael Foot, one elderly voter was asked how she’d be voting. She replied, paraphrasing: “Conservative because Mrs Thatcher seems a very nice lady. She always dresses well”. Nothing more was said. Admittedly her opponent Michael Foot rather dressed down, but it suggested that at least that elderly voter wouldn’t have had much clue about a lot of Thatcher’s 1983 Manifesto.

I was in my teens, but it begged the question, how many people vote for any party from the most superficial reasons?

But Brexit is even worse. Here folk can be forgiven for not understanding all that it entailed as nearly 2 & 1/2 years later we still don’t know as a final deal hasn’t been agreed & Parliament remains divided.

As others state, Brexit may well be success. But many economic forecasts aren’t great.

If a final deal also entails the UK paying every year into the EU, as it probably will, what’s been gained compared to what we already had? Outside Schengen, UK border controls in Calais, our own currency & central bank, plus an important say in key EU decisions.

Will Brexit see greater deregulation on many levels & more of a free-for-all society, as some seem to welcome? If so, we’d be taking another backward step as greater deregulation usually only benefits a rich elite at the expense of more vulnerable citizens. - Regards to both.

JD off out a spell so will catch up later.


No disappointment at all. In fact im recently learning, they are more tolerant than most.

Germany is one that has a serious aging issue. There was more to the million migrants than a bleeding heart


It was because of LC the BW2 thread got blocked. He’ll destroy the entire website if he’s not stopped IMO.

Anyway, are you actually saying that people don’t die? They do and this causes demographic changes which affect politics. In the case of the two and a half year Brexit process saga this is THE biggest factor in changing public opinion on the subject. Fact. To deny this is just sticking your head in the sand.

Secondly, in the 2017 General Election the Conservative Party lost its overall majority and is hostage to a handful of DUP MPs who are not representative of the Remain majority in Northern Ireland. Ergo this government has no mandate to push through any kind of Brexit.




I hope admin pull you up on that statement binboy.


@Sir_Buns-Up_Knealing would you care to evidence it?

or is it going to be the same baseless rubbish you write daily?


Seems you respect majority’s when need to make a point.



I think that you are undoubtably statistically right that a majority of those who have sadly died since June 2016 were Brexit voters. This is a bit of a side issue really as we do not know whether those Brexit voters who have died have been replaced by others who may have changed their views from Remain to Brexit or vice versa.

I think that the key issue is that none of us knew what we were were voting for except in the broadest terms as the details of whatever deal that might be hacked out were not available then and are still not available now.

The democratic case is that all of us, both pro and anti Brexit and young and old, should have an opportunity to give informed consent once we know the terms of the deal. As well as the likely consequences of the deal on our economy, jobs and international influence today’s voters will also need to fully informed as to whether the deal is intended to be a reasonably permanent arrangement or just a staging post to an even more extreme version of Brexit.

That’s what we call democracy.


Frog in a tree



Yes we do: 80+% of younger and new voters are pro - Remain. That is the demographic trend which now counts going forward. It will probably lead to a Labour victory at the next General Election and a backpedalling to the EU. Maybe sooner than we think?





You are right on younger voters. They are more open to the EU and the opportunity it offers and the glories of Empire are remote to them. They have plenty of young skin in the game. But ageing is a slow process and it is also likely to be the case that some weak Remain voters in their 50s and 60s may have transferred their affections to Brexit. We simply don’t know. After all, when you have clocked up your pension it is more or less immune the economic background. For these older people there is less of their skin in the game.

The background opinion polling indicates that a majority think that we made the wrong decision at the referendum and a bigger majority favour a second referendum to settle the matter.

Unless there is a second referendum there will continue to be Brexit Wars for a very long time into the future.


Frog in a tree


Well the silence is evidence enough.

Shouldnt lie like that. People might think remainers always lie (lol)