LLOYDS is going to FLY



Hi All, Promised to post a comparison chart of LLOY vs the FTSE 100 in a previous post, so here it is:-

Down a pretty scary ~34% since the peak of just over 66p in April and it would appear to have gone into freefall since the beginning of August.

Got to admit its holding up pretty well during this latest Trump induced panic though… Im down another 3/4% today making me 4.66% down since the 77xx high on 30/7. FTSE down just over 8% now.




I bet you I see 75p here again

Bit like Gold … gold investors been calling gold for nearly 5 years now




Maybe… but saying that is pointless unless you put a timeframe on it. By end Sept? Dec? March?


2025, maybe? Maybe even not then depending on the scale of Brexit damage!



Maybe you need to change the record Eric

Happy to pick up my wages while everyone moaning 24/7



One other problem is that the housing market is slowing, especially in London where prices are falling. Often rises and falls in house prices fan out from London and the SE. Lower prices mean lower mortgage books and the possibility of negative equity. LLOY also has a big book of car related loans. Any recession is likely to hit this hard and car sales are already in decline. The only bright spot is the tailing off of PPI claims. Many dangers in the bushes await LLOY.


Frog in a tree


You can buy plenty of LLOY shares, no shortage of sellers willing to offload.

A PI favourite, lambs to the slaughter.
Most popular share amongst retail investors.
The big boys are not piling in.


Oh, do me a favour.

We went through this guff a year ago. I waited patiently for 8 months (and I even put a paltry level of 63.8p as a target).

Investing in Gold? A bunch of losers who have lost money for a decade and now tell you how brilliant they are. What matters is calling it right AT THE RIGHT POINT IN TIME and CONSISTENCY.

What you need to ask yourself is: Is it more important to be right at any cost, rather than to make consistent profits!


You are more right than you can imagine.

Before I left for Italy I tried to persuade a guy in, Milngavie, Glasgow to sell his 850,000 house. He didn’t. I bumped into him last week and he has knocked 150k of the asking price and still can’t get any viewers


Thanks soI…
I looked at them… American?
They seem to charge per share, cost not transparent!
I sold u j o a couple of times past week the share price is 0.30 p that would be expensive.
I trade a lot of A I m.
Have I gone on to something different then you suggested?


The stock market needs people like you, buying at 65 then celebrating a crumb of a divi whilst sitting on a 30 % capital loss.

Keep buying.

LLOY is going to Fly.

yep fly down.



Hi @Eadwig, Well I sold my VILX today as I was clearly in profit but overcoming the buy and sell commission payments on the small value that I bought was a problem. I originally bought 10,000 at 1.63 which cost me £175, I sold at 2.39 today which yielded £228 so hardly a fortune. But 2.39 having bought at 1.63 is a 46% increase so had I bought more then the gain would have been more interesting. Given the major moves in the indices and the VIX I’m a bit surprised it didn’t get higher than 2.4 - last December it reached 10.x.

For much of the time that I was holding I was way way down though, the very small absolute value of the price meant that daily moves were extreme. Only when the VIX really got going did I manage to get into profit on my small experiment - so I took the opportunity to exit in case it falls back as there are some signs that US indices are stabilising…?




Hi @Ripley94, Never heard of any of those names myself, have you done what I suggested and check out the health of the broker company ?. If not then IF you end up going with some small outfit you might find yourself going through the SVS scenario again if you are unlucky. Pick a broker that’s big and profitable, low trading costs are nice but aren’t the most important thing IMHO.




I agree with that. Please (goodness, I’m pleading with you), go for a big established, reputable firm, who have been around for decades.

There used to be a saying: “Nobody ever got sacked for buying IBM”


I have a revolut account but I “would not” use them for trading ever.
I’d say its finance for the kids.

However I find it very useful for online purchases in foreign currency, meaning you can do this without your banks exchange rates.

Also very useful for buying foreign currency for holiday use. The revolut app let’s you hold many nationalities bank accounts and let’s you buy forex at near cost prices.

You can deposit and exchange a very small volume of cash commission free. You can use it as your debit card abroad as if it is a native card to the country you are on travelling in.

You can top it up with such small amounts of cash at the click of a few buttons, this means it is the card of choice for the lack of funds held within it until you need them means it is more secure if scammers are up to no good.



Or for foreign currency get yourself a Santander Zero credit card. The Zero in the title is the important bit - zero fees, none at all. Withdraw cash from an ATM abroad and there are no fees; no cash withdrawal/advance fee, no FX loading, no transaction charge at all. You get wholesale bank-to-bank spot, the rate at which Mastercard settle their net FX position at the end of the day so, at worst it’s the wholesale bid price but sometimes (GBP/USD almost always) you’ll get the offer rate, even better than mid-market!

Only downside is the interest rate (I think 30% ish?) chargeable from the date of withdrawal but that’s easily avoidable - either immediately credit your account same day with on-line banking or, in my case, I just pre-load it, keep a mental note of what I’ve withdrawn and top it up as necessary. Any excess when I get back to Blighty I can simply withdraw here (no cash advance fee) or simply run it down with purchases. Oh and there are no ‘rewards’ but that’s a very small price to pay.

In the US it’s slightly harder as most banks charge you for using their ATMs unless you are a customer so that fee (not levied by Santander) is unavoidable unless you can find a Santander branch or affiliate - Sovereign Bank in NYC and some other places.

Seriously, people don’t believe it because it sounds too good to be true but, for once, it actually is true.

Not sure whether there are any restrictions on who can have a Zero card.

ITDYA, thinking there used to be a Halifax card, Clarity I think that was similar but they didn’t allow you to pre-load - they can’t actually stop you just I’ve have heard rumours of them cancelling the account when people did. No idea whether true or no but what I heard.


That’s all true of course but Beaufort were trading for well over two decades and SVS for more than one decade.
Big or small, young or old… if the managers running the outfit engage in either fraud, other criminality or simply are poor managers then it has the potential to enter administration.
The only thing that guarantees you will then get your money back either in part, in full or at all in your battle with the Administrators (over months) is either FSCS pot protection or the (better) equivalent for US Brokers as you rightly pointed out in the past.
So if you exceed those protection levels you do so at your own risk… for some, they run the potential of having years of investment proceeds and savings almost wiped out.


Friend of mine has the Halifax clarity card, fee free purchases and withdrawals. For me revolut beats it as there are no charges. No need to remember to pay off on time, no chance of mistakes. I like that you can freeze the card and edit the pin on the app should you forget it.


Hi swamp

Thanks very much for your post re revolut, had never heard of them.
Excuse my ignorance but is it mobile app use only or can you get an actual physical debit card ?

A bit of a dinosaur when it comes to IT/smartphones etc.

Could be of use to me on travels.

Thanks again




Revolut seems a company to be well avoided to me…