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#22761

what’s interesting is you cutting out a small part of my sentence below to make a stupid point.

does the Telegraph explain how we can have an EU army without UK vetoing it.

I am from near Liverpool m8 most up here think Brexit n Tories are run by southern public schoolboy crooks and having bojo Farage moggy running the country must by a real gift to the SNP.


#22762

Question
Had a discussion today with a friend abt the Brexiter tactic of using
Will of the People . We voted for it. Democracy. How many votes will we have. What if LEAVE WIN again etc etc
anything to avoid another vote WHY ?
Yes they think they would lose but also
in another vote they FARAGE BOJO ETC would have to try to sell the benefits of leaving and as seen on this board.
THEY DONT HAVE ANY.
NOT 1 POSITIVE HAS BEEN STATED IN HERE.


#22763

pete - hi

My sympathy m8
JAR


#22764

Petethenovice, as you like to constantly ask questions but very rarely answer any , would you kindly be willing to answer a simple one from me ?

If we were to have another “Once in a lifetime EU Referendum” (say it’s called a losers last chance type vote) and the Leave side was to be fronted by Boris and Farage etc

Who would you genuinely want to see Heading up the Remain side ?


#22765

You’ve just proved my point.

anything to avoid another vote WHY ?
Yes they think they would lose but also
in another vote they FARAGE BOJO ETC would have to try to sell the benefits of leaving and as seen on this board.
THEY DONT HAVE ANY.
NOT 1 POSITIVE HAS BEEN STATED IN HERE.

AND you said …

I read all about the benefits of leaving back in 2016, and you have spent the last 3 years calling the majority uneducated or at best dying or at worst wishing us dead

Still waiting for 1 benefit ??? just 1…


#22766

GC - hi

You forgot an equally important question:
If ‘Leave’ won again would you accept the result?
JAR
PS I guess you and I know the answer already!
:roll_eyes:


#22767

where are you from? Is this you?


#22768

100% Correct. Certain ii threads and many bulletin boards are chocca with stock lifers.
They love the company so much that any bad news is written off, argued against or deemed a buying opportunity… and anyone not equally in love with the company is a threat to them.

Unfortunately, I knew someone who got caught up in it all… put lots of money into a supposed cast iron certainty, a miner: Noventa… lost circa £400k on that… then repeated the same recently with a small cancer drug outfit (I won’t mention name as it is still trading)… and to my knowledge lost circa £250k… sadly he’s no longer with us. Sometimes, the real effects on people is too much for them. I note that the lifers on that stock are still at it… and whipping themselves into a frenzy every day about how the BOD are failing them.


#22769

Pete - hi

East London
JAR


#22770

What misery this whole Brexit knackers is. Young people especially are being stressed by this self - harming process as it is their European rights which are under threat of being stolen. Of course the crumblies will accuse them of being “snowflakes” and a dose of hardship would be good for them. Its easy for the older generation to think like that as they are nearly dead and are living the good life with fat pensions.

However, post Brexit there would be a return to austerity (not gone away anyway) and this would impact heavily on the mortgage paying 30s and 40s and they won’t be happy when their working conditions slide and many lose their jobs.

The selfishness of the Brexit supporters is astounding. They care not a fig for even British ex pats in Europe and even less for the EU citizens who have set up home here. They don’t care about the “Provinces” or the economy. Worst of all they cannot even articulate any rational reason for this retreat into Little Englanderism. They deserve to be hated forever by future generations.

IMHO,

SBK


#22771

as stated previously I would accept IF leave won…
provided…

Gov supplied reports on the effects of leaving not hiding then
They setup an all Party committee to explain issues and stop lies.
They stopped the Front page incitement…
They explained to Brexit voters that this lot was all lies…

I suspect you wouldn’t accept a remain victory but you would be a small minority…


#22772

Really couldn’t give a shit who heads up the Remain Campaign when we have #BrexitRef2 next year.

As long as we Remain in the EU and retain the benefits of the Single Market and being an EU member state… job done.


#22773

my sympathy m8.

Any Benefit for Brexit yet??


#22774

Cheaper eel pies?

Because we will be able to keep more of our own Thames eels rather than see them sold to the Dutch.

IMHO,

SBK


#22775

So that’s a refusal to answer a straight forward question then petethenovice, very classy


#22776

He doesn’t like to have the obvious pointed out, Soubry and Grieve couldn’t run a bath :rofl:


#22777

That link is just another example of thick people who voted to leave the EU: well past it, clueless, boring and nothing to offer.


#22778

SBK,

IMO, “masochists” is being kind as it’d suggest a general helpless pathology & rather lets them off easily compared to the reality.

A general observation: patently, many people are so easily guided & misled by lies. Especially if it involves appeals to petty Nationalism as, for eg. we see in the US no less than here.

Also, many of the loudest Brexiteers are either very well cushioned financially with triple-lock pension protections, no heavy mortgage burdens, no high rents, no debt, so they don’t care about any negative economic consequences. Others are so pig ignorant about even basic economics that they haven’t taken on board any of the potential downside that various top economists warn of.

Yet others who support Brexit just harbour a blind hatred of most foreigners as they’re convenient, easy scapegoats for their own misery & many are just too poor to care either way about any economic hit.

With that in mind, only an arrogant, reckless fool could’ve have decided it was a great idea to have a Referendum.

Churchill once said, paraphrasing, that the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. I’d add a 5 minute scan of any tabloid papers reader comments section, not least Daily Mail, supports that viewpoint no less so. - Regards. Typos edited.


#22779

This is one of the reasons why the UK still has an archaic Parliamentary system designed around 2-party politics (and the same 2 Parties)… it means that no matter how stupid the average voter… there will only be one of two Parties forming a Government.

A new PR system needs careful thought… though I still support that.


#22780

pete - hi

Il’’ take that as a no then shall I?
JAR